tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423815608168342684.post8620652924278564655..comments2024-03-13T02:57:59.591-07:00Comments on Pointing Dog Blog: Where did the Weim get its color?Craig Koshykhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00551849205683278959noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423815608168342684.post-13528933363287194722013-08-07T17:35:21.582-07:002013-08-07T17:35:21.582-07:00Interesting discussion that I relate to similar in...Interesting discussion that I relate to similar in equestrian circles especially once you mentioned dilute coloration. There are mutation that created dilutions affecting base colors The results are sometimes quite surprising and end up with names like lilac, smokey black, palamino, cremello and perlino, bucksin and many others depending on the dilution gene and base color. Weims.might be called Grulla as a dilution of black but I'm not sure. Back to the dog talk<br>B.funkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423815608168342684.post-45722650677291822642013-07-24T08:32:58.973-07:002013-07-24T08:32:58.973-07:00Yes, bb can and does occur, abeit rarely, in Great...Yes, bb can and does occur, abeit rarely, in Great Danes. it results in a coat colour known among Great Dane folks as "lilac" (or sometimes "dilute chocolate"). But I don't know if the allele in Danes is similar to any of the three different 'b' alleles found in the Weim. That is what Epplen found out about the allele in the Italian Greyhound -- it is virtually identical to one of three different dilution alleles in the Weim ---and why he suspects that it may have contributed something to the Weim.Craig Koshykhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00551849205683278959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423815608168342684.post-32759515280329655562013-07-24T07:28:03.386-07:002013-07-24T07:28:03.386-07:00Danes can also possess the bb gene...!Danes can also possess the bb gene...!Helenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423815608168342684.post-17721523065147603772013-07-11T12:10:34.230-07:002013-07-11T12:10:34.230-07:00Agreed. There were other sources for sure. But the...Agreed. There were other sources for sure. But the Great Dane is probably not one of them. The diluted coat in that breed is a dilute black (dd) not brown (bb). As for the Doberman, the Weim actually predates it, so if they do share the same dilution gene (bb), it probably came from the Weim which is said to have been used by Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann. That said, both breeds come from the same area (Thuringia) and were developed during a time when cross breeding was the norm. I am sure there are Weim genes in Dobermans and vice versa. Even the orignal Blue Weim Cäsar von Gaiberg was said to have had Dobe in him. Craig Koshykhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00551849205683278959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423815608168342684.post-79235956617429099152013-07-11T11:10:25.238-07:002013-07-11T11:10:25.238-07:00Dilution was probably widely available in Greyhoun...Dilution was probably widely available in Greyhounds, but there were other sources. Great Danes (probably a German breed despite the name)are another possibility. Dobermans also carry the dilution gene. The dilution is recessive so once achieved, simply breeding dogs of the appropriate color produces more with no full colored dogs produced. catiatorshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14337578609867612476noreply@blogger.com